Can you use pot of avarice on synchro monsters

Shuffling the deck is wasted time and does nothing to further play or to help ensure fairness Where the question becomes more complicated in my mind is if there is a partially known order to the deck from a prior card effect such as Big Eye or Raiza the Storm Monarch.

The question becomes then if if the intent of Pot of Avarice is to be drawing from a stack of unknown cards, or merely that the cards shuffled back into the deck have unknown whereabouts.

What's the deal to prevent your opponent from shuffling your deck? There's nothing to lose in doing so in the first place, but I suppose it's mutual agreement on how it should be settled.

I say if the card still goes as far as allowing you to draw 2 cards, then that must mean everything went according to the card before hand to get to that part of the resolution.

Thus, to draw 2 cards, you must have shuffled your deck beforehand. Following what John said, if there is some reason that the contents of the top of the deck are known, then the shuffling would happen to keep the randomness of the deck complete. I believe that since there is that one factor that could make have to shuffle to keep randomness, then you would have to shuffle every time. Try to compare this to say nobleman of crossout.

While you may think it is different at first think about i this way, I have one facedown monster and my opponent has one facedown monster. I play Nobleman of crossout on their facedown, it is ryko. Their one on the field and 2 in their deck get removed from play, then I remove two from play in my deck, then we shuffle our decks. On my opponents turn, they play nobleman on my facedown monster and it is my third ryko.

My opponent and I still should have to shuffle our decks even though we know all three copies are out of both of our decks correct? This however, has some problems as well. Next week look at mind crush. We all know if someone mind crushes you and calls say again, ryko, you discard one but the other two are neither faceup on the field, in graveyard, or removed from play, then you have to show.

However, if you can find all three after you have discarded, you do not have to show your opponent your hand. Going back to the question at hand with pot of avarice, I think that it goes back to the fact that there is one factor that, even though rare in the case of few cards make the scenario happen, happens; it should still make you shuffle your deck every time regardless if nothing in actually got added into the deck.

I've found no similar scenario to compare this to. Having talked with a couple of other well seasoned judges of HJ of major events caliber they agree that there is no reason to shuffle the deck if all monsters selected for the effect of Pot of Avarice are Synchro monsters as the purpose of shuffling the deck is to ensure the returned monsters location is unknown.

Now before some of you go calling me and the other judges egotistical maniacs for making a consensus ruling, realize I'll try and get an official ruling from KDE, however, through the last couple of years getting any official ruling from KDE other than new cards released is like pulling teeth. I've posted a half dozen questions concerning Player Management to the Facebook forum and not one of them has been met with a response from our Judge Manager or other KDE representative. In the absence of an official source guiding judges, the best we can do is form a concensus for the sake of consistancy.

As Atem said, I think a lot of you are missing the point. You have to look at WHY we shuffle to begin with, not just car text. If the deck is not distrubed there is no reason to shuffle it Wow, I'm surprised that my small questiion generated a meaningful discussion. You're pretty late. Anyways, thank you guys for the discussion. More ruling knowledge is always good, so thanks for the thread. Activating Solar Recharge is non mandatory, so you are not allowed to do it. If you had four cards in your deck, activated Solar Recharge, and your opponent Chained Conscription, causing you to have three cards in your deck when Solar Recharge resolved, you would draw two cards and mill one card I would think - whether or not an entire effect disappears in situations such as this varies from card to card.

You simply are not allowed to activate something that is not mandatory unless you can resolve it. The OCG rulings almost humorously dance around a central point without mentioning it directly. Returning a card you control to your hand is a cost.

The effect that requires you to do so is a Continuous Effect, but the action of returning a card to your hand is not an effect; it is a non-maintenance cost. As we know, you cannot perform an action without paying the cost to do so. If you cannot return a card to your hand, you cannot attack. Fusion monsters, etc. Effects, on the other hand, simply do something.

Brionic returns cards to the hand. If a Fusion, etc. If a cost would cause a monster to be rerouted, it could not be properly paid and the action could not be performed. If an effect would cause a monster to be rerouted, then it is rerouted. User Info: Shamack.

Why do you have to have in-game two cards minimum in your deck for PoA to be able to activate? PoA allows you to return Synchro and Fusion monsters to the extra deck, meaning you can choose 5 synchros and return them to the deck, and still have less then 2 cards in your deck before drawing. User Info: InfinitySlayer. All of Dice's ruling replies are like essays. Just decent. More topics from this board Anyone still playing in late ? What is the ultimate deck?

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Card Rating Advanced: 4 Ratings are based on a 1 to 5 scale 1 is Horrible. Send 5 monsters back to the deck to draw 2.

With Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and now Link Monsters in the game, it's entirely possible to send the 5 back and draw 2 from the deck without any going into the main deck. With Avarice you could regain access to monsters you only could run one of in the Extra Deck, or just have a way of recycling monsters without adding specific support like Warrior Returning Alive. Late game you could activate two Pot of Avarice and get a serious advantage.

This card gives you cards while preventing deck-out, and puts resources back into either the Main or Extra Deck. This is not an Official Site. Kingof Lullaby.